Whats with Wal Mart garden center

[Roy]

I have to admit I like to dumpster dive, and Walmart has supplied me b
way of their large hopper dumpster with a ton of varous trees, plants
and odds and ends this year, to the point it looks like I have a
commercisal garden center myself. Most plants only need a little
tender care and decent waterings and conditions, and the majority of
them grew and bloomed just fine.

Last week I picked up 66 5 gal buckets with a 40 pound bad of
fertilized potting soil in each bucket, marketed by Miracle Grow, out
of the Walmart Dumpster. All new and unopened. Today I made three,
yess three trips in my pickup truck and loaded it to the max each
trip with bags of various potting soils in 40 to 50 pound bags, and
also bag after bag of pine bark and also Cypress shredded mulch, as
well as 4, 50 pound bags of Rye grass seed, and some assorted other
smaller packages of various grass seeds...centipede, Fescue etc, in 5
and 10 pound packs. All of this was just thrown in the dumpster.

I coould have made maybe two more trips, but my back was about give
out. There was still still quite a few bags of mulches, and soil, and
who knows what else under all of that stuff. Its mainly stuff thats
dumped from the garden center, not regular garbage. They also throw
store displays and racks etc in this dumpster, which have turned into
great metal racks for holding lots of potted plants.
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[Tom J]

You may also be a thief!! Do you have permission to dumpster dive in a
dumpster on Wal-Mart's private property? That dumpster may contain
merchandise going to a recycling center, or it may contain stolen goods, and
you may be an accomplice, not knowing it. You could do jail time if you don't
have permission and are caught.

Tom J

Post by Roy
I have to admit I like to dumpster dive, and Walmart has supplied me b
way of their large hopper dumpster with a ton of varous trees, plants
and odds and ends this year, to the point it looks like I have a
commercisal garden center myself. Most plants only need a little
tender care and decent waterings and conditions, and the majority of
them grew and bloomed just fine.
Last week I picked up 66 5 gal buckets with a 40 pound bad of
fertilized potting soil in each bucket, marketed by Miracle Grow, out
of the Walmart Dumpster. All new and unopened. Today I made three,
yess three trips in my pickup truck and loaded it to the max each
trip with bags of various potting soils in 40 to 50 pound bags, and
also bag after bag of pine bark and also Cypress shredded mulch, as
well as 4, 50 pound bags of Rye grass seed, and some assorted other
smaller packages of various grass seeds...centipede, Fescue etc, in 5
and 10 pound packs. All of this was just thrown in the dumpster.
I coould have made maybe two more trips, but my back was about give
out. There was still still quite a few bags of mulches, and soil, and
who knows what else under all of that stuff. Its mainly stuff thats
dumped from the garden center, not regular garbage. They also throw
store displays and racks etc in this dumpster, which have turned into
great metal racks for holding lots of potted plants.
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[Brigitte J.]

Post by Tom J
You may also be a thief!! Do you have permission to dumpster dive in a
dumpster on Wal-Mart's private property?

My home is on private property and the state laws here state that anything I
have set out on the street for the garbage man is fair game. Check where
you live, it may be the same there.

or it may contain stolen goods, and

Post by Tom J
you may be an accomplice, not knowing it.

This is true.

You could do jail time if you don't

Post by Tom J
have permission and are caught.

I don't believe you need permission to go through a garbage dumpster.

Brigitte

Post by Tom J

Post by Roy
I have to admit I like to dumpster dive, and Walmart has supplied me b
way of their large hopper dumpster with a ton of varous trees, plants
and odds and ends this year, to the point it looks like I have a
commercisal garden center myself. Most plants only need a little
tender care and decent waterings and conditions, and the majority of
them grew and bloomed just fine.
Last week I picked up 66 5 gal buckets with a 40 pound bad of
fertilized potting soil in each bucket, marketed by Miracle Grow, out
of the Walmart Dumpster. All new and unopened. Today I made three,
yess three trips in my pickup truck and loaded it to the max each
trip with bags of various potting soils in 40 to 50 pound bags, and
also bag after bag of pine bark and also Cypress shredded mulch, as
well as 4, 50 pound bags of Rye grass seed, and some assorted other
smaller packages of various grass seeds...centipede, Fescue etc, in 5
and 10 pound packs. All of this was just thrown in the dumpster.
I coould have made maybe two more trips, but my back was about give
out. There was still still quite a few bags of mulches, and soil, and
who knows what else under all of that stuff. Its mainly stuff thats
dumped from the garden center, not regular garbage. They also throw
store displays and racks etc in this dumpster, which have turned into
great metal racks for holding lots of potted plants.
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[JNJ]

Post by Brigitte J.
My home is on private property and the state laws here state that anything I
have set out on the street for the garbage man is fair game. Check where
you live, it may be the same there.
I don't believe you need permission to go through a garbage dumpster.

Once it hits the curb, it's fair game. Problem for this fellow though is
that he is going on private property to get to the dumpster -- that's
trespassing. All things depending, that could land him in a world of hurt.

James

[Lar]

In article <XDGdnfY46_ZA1-WiU-***@giganews.com>,
***@spamcop.net says...
:) Once it hits the curb, it's fair game. Problem for this fellow though is
:) that he is going on private property to get to the dumpster --
:)
I think it depends on the city. We have plastic tubs we
set at the curb to separate recycle stuff from what's
going to the landfill and there is suppose to be a law
keeping people from driving around getting to anything
on the curb that has a value for recycle before the
trash people get it.

[Grandpa]

Post by Brigitte J.

Post by Tom J
You may also be a thief!! Do you have permission to dumpster dive in a
dumpster on Wal-Mart's private property?

My home is on private property and the state laws here state that anything I
have set out on the street for the garbage man is fair game. Check where
you live, it may be the same there.

I suspect that they dump it for the tax break or whatever sort of
'gains/loss' break they can get. Bean counter stuff.

Funny about the garbage, where I live once its on the curb, its city
property so they get really upset if others go thru it, however if the
dogs etc spread it around, suddenly its YOUR property again.

[paghat]

Post by Tom J
You may also be a thief!! Do you have permission to dumpster dive in a
dumpster on Wal-Mart's private property? That dumpster may contain
merchandise going to a recycling center, or it may contain stolen goods, and
you may be an accomplice, not knowing it. You could do jail time if you don't
have permission and are caught.
Tom J

In 1988 the US Supreme Court ruled that trash-picking is legal. But there
are centuries-old precident laws going back even to Jolly Old England that
establish as a veritable "right" for scavengers to obtain & keep or sell
anything they find in the trash. A very few cities have nevertheless put
restrictions on dumpster diving & local laws should be checked at the
library (does no good to ask the police who won't know, won't look it up,
but might say it's illegal rather than admit they don't know & don't care
if its legal or not).

Exceptions are when dumpsters are locked, are inside gates, or posted no
trespassing, or when special municiple restrictions on recycle bins as
distinct from dumpsters of mixed refuse. By & large when it's in the
trash, it's fair game, whether you're the cops going through the trash
looking for evidence without a search warrant (don't need one), a crazy
nosy neighbor reading then posting on the web someone's discarded
correspondence (no legal right to privacy if it is thrown in the trash), a
hungry homeless guy looking for pizza rinds, a craftsperson looking for
junk to weld together into "art", a junk dealer looking for salable
freebies, a major recycling company contracting with the city or county
but NOT with whoever threw out the garbage, or a dumpster diving hobbyist.


The illegal part would be depositing your own trash in someone else's
dumpster; circumventing a lock; or leaving a mess. When trash is on the
curb or alley, there is not even a trespassing issue, but on business
tarmacks or parking lots the issue of trespassing can become clouded,
though if legal access is generally permitted for customers, so too it is
for dumpster divers. Garbage left on a property that does not permit
general access is illegal to take -- that worn out couch on the curb is
legal to take, but the when it was still sitting on the front lawn getting
rained on & moldy, it was still the homeowner's personal possession. There
are also "intellectual property" issues; if I throw out a manuscript for
an original short story & you find it, it's yours, but you can't publish
it; or if you find a computer harddrive, it's yours, but the software on
it might not be legally transferable; & so on.

Most dumpster diving is behind retail shops. The restriction (with
exceptions) is usually a lock, not a law. No lock, no prohibition.
Dumpster diving has become so common, though, that more cities feel the
need to regulate diving, as sometimes guys with big trucks drive through
alleys getting recyclables & whatnot, & sometimes bums leave nuisance
calling-cards like all the black plastic bags ripped open & scattered
about a parking lot. A few states are more concerned with taxing the
microbusinesses of dumpster divers who scrounge & sell enough stuff to
make a living without being detected by the taxing authorities.

Habitual dumpster divers sometimes keep photocopies of articles on the
Supreme Court ruling to give to irate shopowners who threaten to call the
cops on dumpster divers. Politely informing them of the law, as long as
it's not rudely expressed, & your reassurance that you'll be following the
law & leaving no mess, usually shuts them up. If the owner doesn't care if
it's legal or not but just wants you to go the hell away, they will have
to post a no-trespassing sign or put a lock on their dumpster. As many do.
Otherwise, if it's in the trash, you can have it.

Of course, some businesses put stuff out back beside the dumpster with the
EXPECTATION that it will be hauled away by dumpster divers, & they're glad
of it, it keeps them from having to pay for a bigger dumpster.

Dumpster diving activists:
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/7807/index.html
http://www.spub.ksu.edu/ISSUES/v100/FA/n024/op-dumpstr-page.html
http://www.allthingsfrugal.com/dumpster.htm
http://members.aol.com/TheDumpsterLady/thedumpsterlady.htm

The seriously bad side-effect of dumpster diving is the great many
businesses that throw out credit card information. Last year Congress once
again failed to pass a law requiring businesses to discard c.c.
information safely by returning it to a bank or shredding it; Visa &
Mastercard persistently lobbies against such laws. The majority of
illegally used c.c. numbers are obtained by dumpster diving. Yet people
worry about emailing such information, which is still the minority source
of stolen numbers (and even hackers rely on info found in dumpsters,
dumpsters being a good place to find passwords). If your personal stats
are in the trash, they can be legally taken by anyone who finds them, but
their use of them might be illegal. See here:
<http://www.iss.net/security_center/advice/Underground/Hacking/Methods/WetWare/Dumpster_Diving/default.htm>

[JNJ]

Paghat, sometimes you scare me. :)

James

[Salty Thumb]

Post by Tom J
You may also be a thief!! Do you have permission to dumpster dive in
a dumpster on Wal-Mart's private property? That dumpster may contain
merchandise going to a recycling center, or it may contain stolen
goods, and you may be an accomplice, not knowing it. You could do
jail time if you don't have permission and are caught.
Tom J

Here's a recent article from yahoo.

In summary, dumpster diving is mostly legal except in New Hampshire.

N.H. Court Trashes Private Garbage Search

http://www.yahoo.com/s/116645

[Tom J]

Post by Salty Thumb

Post by Tom J
You may also be a thief!! Do you have permission to dumpster dive in
a dumpster on Wal-Mart's private property? That dumpster may contain
merchandise going to a recycling center, or it may contain stolen
goods, and you may be an accomplice, not knowing it. You could do
jail time if you don't have permission and are caught.
Tom J

Here's a recent article from yahoo.
In summary, dumpster diving is mostly legal except in New Hampshire.
N.H. Court Trashes Private Garbage Search
http://www.yahoo.com/s/116645

That article is about trash that has been delivered to the curb for trash
pick-up. Most streets and roads have right-of-way that is from a few feet to
several feet wide on each side of the paved or gravel roadway. That is far
different from a container on private property. If you are caught in a
dumpster in the city I live in, they haul you to jail and ask questions later.
I've hauled a lot of loot out of dumpsters, but I got permission from the
owners of the stuff going into the dumpsters before I dove in.

Tom J

[B & J]

Post by Roy
Last week I picked up 66 5 gal buckets with a 40 pound bad of
fertilized potting soil in each bucket, marketed by Miracle Grow, out
of the Walmart Dumpster. All new and unopened. Today I made three,
yess three trips in my pickup truck and loaded it to the max each
trip with bags of various potting soils in 40 to 50 pound bags, and
also bag after bag of pine bark and also Cypress shredded mulch, as
well as 4, 50 pound bags of Rye grass seed, and some assorted other
smaller packages of various grass seeds...centipede, Fescue etc, in 5
and 10 pound packs. All of this was just thrown in the dumpster.
I coould have made maybe two more trips, but my back was about give
out. There was still still quite a few bags of mulches, and soil, and
who knows what else under all of that stuff. Its mainly stuff thats
dumped from the garden center, not regular garbage. They also throw
store displays and racks etc in this dumpster, which have turned into
great metal racks for holding lots of potted plants.
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Roy aka Chipmaker // Foxeye

I don't know where you're located, but your WallyWorld manager needs lessons
in community relations and economics. That (wo)man is missing a golden
opportunity if those gardening products aren't being donated to local garden
clubs for community projects. In our area any broken bags or left over
seasonal gardening items are donated to garden clubs, who are responsible
for maintaining public projects. Not only do these items give the people
involved in receiving this products a good feeling about WalMart but also
make them logical consumers of WalMart products. In addition, the items
donated are listed by the recipients and provide a tax write off. This is a
win - win situation for WalMart and the community.

John

[B & J]

It could be a manager who has gotten a different lesson. I know of a
small petfood chain (since merged) that at one time was donating
opened/out of date food to local adoption groups. Someone threatened to
sue over buggy/moldy food. They stopped donating and just trashed it
after that.
Janine

Broken bags of garden products are not meant to be eaten by either an
animals or a humans. Donating them to worthy projects rather than destroying
them makes sense to me.

John

[jammer]

I scoped out the walmart dumpsters here and they are big industrial
ones, possibly recyclers. I cant get a single plant. etc.

Post by Roy
I have to admit I like to dumpster dive, and Walmart has supplied me b
way of their large hopper dumpster with a ton of varous trees, plants
and odds and ends this year, to the point it looks like I have a
commercisal garden center myself. Most plants only need a little
tender care and decent waterings and conditions, and the majority of
them grew and bloomed just fine.
Last week I picked up 66 5 gal buckets with a 40 pound bad of
fertilized potting soil in each bucket, marketed by Miracle Grow, out
of the Walmart Dumpster. All new and unopened. Today I made three,
yess three trips in my pickup truck and loaded it to the max each
trip with bags of various potting soils in 40 to 50 pound bags, and
also bag after bag of pine bark and also Cypress shredded mulch, as
well as 4, 50 pound bags of Rye grass seed, and some assorted other
smaller packages of various grass seeds...centipede, Fescue etc, in 5
and 10 pound packs. All of this was just thrown in the dumpster.
I coould have made maybe two more trips, but my back was about give
out. There was still still quite a few bags of mulches, and soil, and
who knows what else under all of that stuff. Its mainly stuff thats
dumped from the garden center, not regular garbage. They also throw
store displays and racks etc in this dumpster, which have turned into
great metal racks for holding lots of potted plants.

[Roy]

I have been removing things out of Wally Worlds dumpster and have the
security guard drive right by and wave at me. There is no law in this
town or state concerning dumpsters, as long as you do not climb over
fences or unlock areas to get to it. As far as private property is
concerned, yes it private but open to the public. Unless a sign is
posted warning you not to remove items from dumpster it perfectly
fine.


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[samuel l crowe]

I bought 80 bags of mushroom compost and 80 large bales of peat moss from
Wal Mart @ $1.00 ea. This was at the store on the other side of town, on the
way home I drove by the WM near me and they were still selling at the
regular price, go figure.
-
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Post by Roy
I have been removing things out of Wally Worlds dumpster and have the
security guard drive right by and wave at me. There is no law in this
town or state concerning dumpsters, as long as you do not climb over
fences or unlock areas to get to it. As far as private property is
concerned, yes it private but open to the public. Unless a sign is
posted warning you not to remove items from dumpster it perfectly
fine.
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[Tom J]

Post by samuel l crowe
I bought 80 bags of mushroom compost and 80 large bales of peat moss from
way home I drove by the WM near me and they were still selling at the
regular price, go figure.

The garden centers are sub-leased, or were, so that may explain some of this.
Slow items taking up space they are paying dearly for each day!!

Tom J

[animaux]

Post by Tom J

Post by samuel l crowe
I bought 80 bags of mushroom compost and 80 large bales of peat moss from
way home I drove by the WM near me and they were still selling at the
regular price, go figure.

The garden centers are sub-leased, or were, so that may explain some of this.
Slow items taking up space they are paying dearly for each day!!
Tom J

That's not what I've been reading in my stockholder reports, annually. If this
was a practice, is isn't now or hasn't been since I owned the stock. I've owned
the stock for about 10 years.

[Tom J]

Post by animaux

Post by Tom J

Post by samuel l crowe
I bought 80 bags of mushroom compost and 80 large bales of peat moss from
way home I drove by the WM near me and they were still selling at the
regular price, go figure.

The garden centers are sub-leased, or were, so that may explain some of this.
Slow items taking up space they are paying dearly for each day!!
Tom J

That's not what I've been reading in my stockholder reports, annually. If this
was a practice, is isn't now or hasn't been since I owned the stock. I've owned
the stock for about 10 years.

Does the report tell you the vision centers are leased, or that some
electronic centers are leased? Did your report ever tell you the pharmacy was
leased? I ask, because all were at one time, and the vision center near me is
still leased. I never owned Wal-Mart stock - nor Home Depot. A couple of dumb
non-moves on my part!! ;-(

Tom J

[DavesVideo]

When someone gives you a paperback without a cover, it may be an illegal book.
Bookstores tear off the covers which they return to the publisher for credit.
In doing so they are promising that the book was destroyed. The local Loews
returns the nursery’s tag on unsalable plants and throws out the plants. A
friend say an area at Lowes with sick plants and asked if they would sell her a
sick tree for a reduced price. They said, no we have to throw them out, but if
you want we will throw it into your car. With a bit of TLC the tree survived.

Speaking of dumpster diving, my wife welds sculpture and does a lot of diving
for scrap metal. In one of those big industrial sized dumpster, she will not
come up for air for minutes. I suspect there may be liability problems if
someone is hurt in a dumpster, but so far no one has chased her away.
Dave
http://members.tripod.com/~VideoDave

[Frogleg]

Post by DavesVideo
Speaking of dumpster diving, my wife welds sculpture and does a lot of diving
for scrap metal. In one of those big industrial sized dumpster, she will not
come up for air for minutes. I suspect there may be liability problems if
someone is hurt in a dumpster, but so far no one has chased her away.

One man's trash... :-) The gov't is peculiar about trash. To
discourage theft in the form of declaring an item surplus and then
retrieving it from the discard pile, no trash may be scavanged. Lovely
big wooden packing crates, perfect for constructing playhouses or
garden sheds, must be burned. There was even a long bureaucratic fight
to start a volunteer-staffed recycling program for the thousands of
soft drink cans used every day at a NASA site. I believe there *was*
an officially-sanctioned program to give the Boy Scouts leftover
electronics for their projects. The stuff we throw out is amazing.
And the rules Kafka-esque. 2-day-old bread at my local supermarket
*must* be trashed -- can't be given away for bread crumbs or duck
food. I saw video of someone in Afghanistan (I think) getting water
in a positively biblical heavy clay jug, and I'm throwing away
(recycling) virtually indestructable, lightweight 2-ltr soda bottles
every day.

Thanks, BTW, to the OP with the WalMart hint. I'm definitely going to
look into that (and into their dumpsters!).

[Roy]

YOur so right about that. I am retired military, and what they throw
away is ureal. I could make one super garden shed or barn with the
large huge beautiful plywood crates etc they throw away. At every base
I have ever been at there was a letter in the upper corner of the
units bulletin boards, stating it was against the reg to remove
anything from a dumpster, and wold lead to punishment. LOts of folks
would throw good items away and then retreive them later. ONe time
while diving in dumpsters, I had the need for a few old tires to start
a fire to burn brush piles. Its a common practice to use old tires,
placed under piles of uprooted trees and brush, and fill the tire up
with some diesel fuel and light it to light the tire and produce a
good hot fire to ignite the wood., Anyway while gettting a fe tires
out of a dumpster by a tire dealer, I found 5 brand new top line tires
under all the other tires. ALl the same brand and size. Evidently some
employee placed them there during the course of the day (Saturday) and
intended to retreive them that night or Sunday before the dumpster was
emptied, which around here is usually Monday thru Friday afternoons. I
just know he was surprised when he found his stash missing.

x<>-
x<>->Speaking of dumpster diving, my wife welds sculpture and does a lot of diving
x<>->for scrap metal. In one of those big industrial sized dumpster, she will not
x<>->come up for air for minutes. I suspect there may be liability problems if
x<>->someone is hurt in a dumpster, but so far no one has chased her away.
x<>-
x<>-One man's trash... :-) The gov't is peculiar about trash. To
x<>-discourage theft in the form of declaring an item surplus and then
x<>-retrieving it from the discard pile, no trash may be scavanged. Lovely
x<>-big wooden packing crates, perfect for constructing playhouses or
x<>-garden sheds, must be burned. There was even a long bureaucratic fight
x<>-to start a volunteer-staffed recycling program for the thousands of
x<>-soft drink cans used every day at a NASA site. I believe there *was*
x<>-an officially-sanctioned program to give the Boy Scouts leftover
x<>-electronics for their projects. The stuff we throw out is amazing.
x<>-And the rules Kafka-esque. 2-day-old bread at my local supermarket
x<>-*must* be trashed -- can't be given away for bread crumbs or duck
x<>-food. I saw video of someone in Afghanistan (I think) getting water
x<>-in a positively biblical heavy clay jug, and I'm throwing away
x<>-(recycling) virtually indestructable, lightweight 2-ltr soda bottles
x<>-every day.
x<>-
x<>-Thanks, BTW, to the OP with the WalMart hint. I'm definitely going to
x<>-look into that (and into their dumpsters!).

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[Zemedelec]

We'd all probably be in hog heaven in Japanese metropolises, where living space
is tight, rent sky-high and the moderately well-to-do allegedly just throw out
a lot of almost new stuff when they want to redecorate. Makes sense in a way:
if you only have space for one table and four chairs, something's got to go.
zemedelec

[Nonie]

I would love to get me some veggie plants so how do I do that on

[cshenk]

I would love to get me some veggie plants so how do I do that one

What general area are you in? That determines your planting zone and
what types of plants to get.

[Dan Purgert]

Post by cshenk

I would love to get me some veggie plants so how do I do that one

What general area are you in? That determines your planting zone and
what types of plants to get.

And when you can get them --> up here (USDA Zone 6 as of 2023 ...),
they aren't even selling plants yet (although MAYBE this coming
weekend).